I reallly love what Kate had to say about Sterne. I want to take it a step further though. I believe the image of the marble page is text in itself. Any image...a picture or anything else could constitute as a text. With that said I guess I don't understand how the print culture could bring about the idea of finality. Because of the print culture image texts are able to be printed in books like Sterne. I don't see how that could bring about finality because the text is open to interpratation. The marble page could mean what Kate had Fanny describe in her blog but it could mean something else to another person. Doesn't that mean that print could mean finality or in a way mis-en-ebyme....going on into eternity into the abyss? That marble page now has the possibilty to be interperated differently forever because of the print culture. I guess my point is that the print culture also allows a sense of no finality.
Tuesday, April 28, 2009
Nice Kate of the beatuiful eyes
Ong claims that the print culture is comfortable with finality. He says, “Once a letterpress forme is closed, locked up, or a photolithographic plate is made, and the sheet printed, the text does not accommodate changes (erasures, insertions) so readily as do written texts…Print is curiously intolerant of physical incompleteness (Ong, 130).”
Monday, April 20, 2009
Here is the first two paragraphs of my paper
The Marriage of Orality and Literacy: Music
“It is a larger mistake to speak of them as adversaries. Instead light is an aspect of the prior and enduring state which is darkness. An so the state of light and the state of dark are present at the same time” (Kane 167). The complementary idea of existence suggested by Kane could have been seen as a marriage of two “things” which usually are set apart as opposites. When one looks at the function of literacy and orality in music, the same marriage is born by two different forms of art.
The idea of a marriage between orality and literacy in music would not have been popular with many philosophers like Plato since some musicians chose to write their songs down. “Those who use writing will become forgetful, relying on an external resource for what they lack in internal resources. Writing weakens the mind” (Ong 78). Music is a form of memory. Charlie Parker once said, “Music is your own experience, your thoughts, your wisdom. If you don’t live it, it wont come out of your horn.” This was true from my own experience; my musical journey began with the hope of reliving past pain, happiness, joy and sorrow I had experienced throughout my life. The idea that I used the technology of writing the song did not destroy my memory of my past events; it enhanced them. The writing and performance of the songs I had written gave life to my past memories and allowed others to share in the experiences and emotions that I had lived.
Here is the first two paragraphs of my paper
The Marriage of Orality and Literacy: Music
“It is a larger mistake to speak of them as adversaries. Instead light is an aspect of the prior and enduring state which is darkness. An so the state of light and the state of dark are present at the same time” (Kane 167). The complementary idea of existence suggested by Kane could have been seen as a marriage of two “things” which usually are set apart as opposites. When one looks at the function of literacy and orality in music, the same marriage is born by two different forms of art.
The idea of a marriage between orality and literacy in music would not have been popular with many philosophers like Plato since some musicians chose to write their songs down. “Those who use writing will become forgetful, relying on an external resource for what they lack in internal resources. Writing weakens the mind” (Ong 78). Music is a form of memory. Charlie Parker once said, “Music is your own experience, your thoughts, your wisdom. If you don’t live it, it wont come out of your horn.” This was true from my own experience; my musical journey began with the hope of reliving past pain, happiness, joy and sorrow I had experienced throughout my life. The idea that I used the technology of writing the song did not destroy my memory of my past events; it enhanced them. The writing and performance of the songs I had written gave life to my past memories and allowed others to share in the experiences and emotions that I had lived.
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
Wakian quote explained
a commodius
vicus of recirculation,” a
trip around the inside of the
skull in order to revisit important
images representing a
“body” of forgotten information. (From Finnigan's Wake or could be found in Sexon's article)
When Professor Sexon talked about this quote in his article, it led him to the magical properties of memory like Bruno. For me, it seemed a much more oooh...how to say it....primitive view of memory. Not primitive in the sense that it is obsolete but a much older view of memory. In some culture's time the progression of events is not linear. It is a recirculation of events. Important objects, events and everything else comes back around. Time is made out in a cirular fashion. 1 person may revisit an event countless times in one lifetime. A great example of this is the book 100 Years of Solitude. In the book, the theme of ice from Aurliano Buendia's childhood was a repeated action throughout the story. We start with him remebering the idea of ice. Then we get the story of his childhood experience with ice. Later in the book we saw ice again and how it changed the town of Macando. In the story events did not line up with our notion of time but instead it lined up with an emphasis on importance. In a way that is how I know my concious memory works. Important things often recirculate their way through my mind and I revisit them at times daily, other times monthly and sometimes yearly. Reguardless, they are always remembered and revisited.
vicus of recirculation,” a
trip around the inside of the
skull in order to revisit important
images representing a
“body” of forgotten information. (From Finnigan's Wake or could be found in Sexon's article)
When Professor Sexon talked about this quote in his article, it led him to the magical properties of memory like Bruno. For me, it seemed a much more oooh...how to say it....primitive view of memory. Not primitive in the sense that it is obsolete but a much older view of memory. In some culture's time the progression of events is not linear. It is a recirculation of events. Important objects, events and everything else comes back around. Time is made out in a cirular fashion. 1 person may revisit an event countless times in one lifetime. A great example of this is the book 100 Years of Solitude. In the book, the theme of ice from Aurliano Buendia's childhood was a repeated action throughout the story. We start with him remebering the idea of ice. Then we get the story of his childhood experience with ice. Later in the book we saw ice again and how it changed the town of Macando. In the story events did not line up with our notion of time but instead it lined up with an emphasis on importance. In a way that is how I know my concious memory works. Important things often recirculate their way through my mind and I revisit them at times daily, other times monthly and sometimes yearly. Reguardless, they are always remembered and revisited.
I believe an important quote From Professor Sexon's article on Joyce.
"To remember is
not only to bring to mind what
has been hiding, but also to reassemble
carnally, to remember,
to rebuild fleshy bits
into an animate whole. It is simultaneously
a mental and
physical act, linking word to
image and gesture, mediated
experience to pantomime." (From Michael Sexon's article)
I love this quote because it emphasizes how remembering is a necessity in everything that we do. It is fleshy, even the most seemingly little things like waving include all sorts of memory. Muscle memory, your body has to remember the action of waving. Mental memory, you have to remember what the signal actually means. Processing memory, you also have to remember the correct response to such a gesture. The quote puts life to something that I may have just connected to academia. We have to use memory not only conciously but subconsiuosly to actually survive.
not only to bring to mind what
has been hiding, but also to reassemble
carnally, to remember,
to rebuild fleshy bits
into an animate whole. It is simultaneously
a mental and
physical act, linking word to
image and gesture, mediated
experience to pantomime." (From Michael Sexon's article)
I love this quote because it emphasizes how remembering is a necessity in everything that we do. It is fleshy, even the most seemingly little things like waving include all sorts of memory. Muscle memory, your body has to remember the action of waving. Mental memory, you have to remember what the signal actually means. Processing memory, you also have to remember the correct response to such a gesture. The quote puts life to something that I may have just connected to academia. We have to use memory not only conciously but subconsiuosly to actually survive.
Memory Theatre
Memory Theatre
I guess I am a member of the print culture as well as the oral culture because I outlined my theatre much like I do with my notes. I never had any actual place to be my theatre...no objects just numbers and the alphabet.
an example:
group 1
a.
b.
c.
d.
e.
The reason why I did this is because of the box within in a box theory. If I had a memory theatre I would need another one to remember my previous one and so on. For me, I found it much easier utilizing my counting and knowledge of the alphabet. All I had to do was be able to count to 10 and know my alphabet a-e frontwards and backwards. Not very hard at all.
I guess I am a member of the print culture as well as the oral culture because I outlined my theatre much like I do with my notes. I never had any actual place to be my theatre...no objects just numbers and the alphabet.
an example:
group 1
a.
b.
c.
d.
e.
The reason why I did this is because of the box within in a box theory. If I had a memory theatre I would need another one to remember my previous one and so on. For me, I found it much easier utilizing my counting and knowledge of the alphabet. All I had to do was be able to count to 10 and know my alphabet a-e frontwards and backwards. Not very hard at all.
Test Stuff
Here is some notes:
Know frame story and mis-en-abym -into the abyss
1. Nietzsch says, "We are all walking dictionaries."
2. Lull: All about the motion, no images, non-corporeal. (ladder & tree)
3. Know literate (shown below) and oral (shown above) symbols. Know frame story and mis-en-abym -into the abyss.
5. Mandala (F.W.)
6. Democratic/Alphabet
7. Ong - song is existence - Gresang 1st Dazeme
8. Ong, finality and closure for print culture
9. Yates pg 224 - memory of the divine man - Bruno
10. Alethia - truth is unforgetting (Lull)
11. 7 planets/7 pillars of Solomon's house of wisdom (Camilo)
12. Iliad "Such was the funeral rites of Hector, Tamer of Horses."
13. Alphabet was invented only once.
14. Chances are 1 in 3
15. Tai and Robert used their bodies as memory theaters.
16. Before books there was speech, before speech there was mute gesture (F.W)
17. Yates pg 188 relationship between Lull & Kabala
18. portmanteau words (suitcase) metaphor (F.W.)- hypertext (layered language) in this way F.W. is like cyberspace
19. ancient Hebrew contained no vowels
20. Yates pg 203 Bruno rushes out of convent
21. Tristam Shandy portrays silence with blank space
22. Easter wings (poem from Ong) hour glass shapeprint writer uses visual text
23. most famously unread book in the world is F.W
24. Kane: myths are repository of practical knowledge
Know frame story and mis-en-abym -into the abyss
1. Nietzsch says, "We are all walking dictionaries."
2. Lull: All about the motion, no images, non-corporeal. (ladder & tree)
3. Know literate (shown below) and oral (shown above) symbols. Know frame story and mis-en-abym -into the abyss.
5. Mandala (F.W.)
6. Democratic/Alphabet
7. Ong - song is existence - Gresang 1st Dazeme
8. Ong, finality and closure for print culture
9. Yates pg 224 - memory of the divine man - Bruno
10. Alethia - truth is unforgetting (Lull)
11. 7 planets/7 pillars of Solomon's house of wisdom (Camilo)
12. Iliad "Such was the funeral rites of Hector, Tamer of Horses."
13. Alphabet was invented only once.
14. Chances are 1 in 3
15. Tai and Robert used their bodies as memory theaters.
16. Before books there was speech, before speech there was mute gesture (F.W)
17. Yates pg 188 relationship between Lull & Kabala
18. portmanteau words (suitcase) metaphor (F.W.)- hypertext (layered language) in this way F.W. is like cyberspace
19. ancient Hebrew contained no vowels
20. Yates pg 203 Bruno rushes out of convent
21. Tristam Shandy portrays silence with blank space
22. Easter wings (poem from Ong) hour glass shapeprint writer uses visual text
23. most famously unread book in the world is F.W
24. Kane: myths are repository of practical knowledge
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